Wednesday, January 23, 2008

If YOU are Catholic

What one thing would u want changed in the church??

I would want suicide to be allowed. It seems we are prisoners of this earth and there is no way to leave till God calls us home. Allowing suicide would be like giving ppl "an ace up their sleeve" to use when one feels it is necessary to cash in ur chips so to speak.

What would YOU like changed????????????????????


Goren:)

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

I would change that the preachers are allowed to get married. How they can talk about marriage when they dont know about the problems?

And i would prefer to sing better music. More rhytm... I would go to church more often, because i actually would enjoy it.

Goren said...

WOW a COMMENT from a real live person in BLOGGER...amazing!!!!!!!!

Susanne are u in Germany??

Goren:)

ganchi said...

There are some things in the Church that simply can never change. The Church teaches that killing is WRONG, whether it's the young, the old, the aged, the unborn, or even yourself. Suicide is a sin and moral right and wrong cannot simply be changed by what anyone says, even the Pope. If you kill yourself, you're not "cashing in" your chips. You're throwing away everything you have, including your eternal security!
Goren, you seem lonely, and I'm sorry you feel that way. I think maybe you need to talk to a priest or someone who really knows the faith. That could help with all the questions you have.
I'll be praying for you. God bless.

Goren said...

TY REbekah for the comment and I did answer u through other means (sounds so mysterious lol) as u know since I had to use those means for another purpose anyway ;)

Thanks again!
Goren:)

Andi said...

Well, I decided to look at your blog and this post caught my attention. Suicide is condemned by the Church. In fact, it is a severe sin to commit suicide. I am going to summarize CCC 2280-2283. God is the giver of all life and we are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life that God has entrusted to us. It also contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life."
Rebekah is very right in what she says. A Catholic priest would definitely be willing to answer your questions and I would also recommend buying a copy of Catechism of the Catholic Church: Second Edition. I will be praying that you find God's will in your life. He has an important purpose for you and He loves you infinitely.

Sharon said...

To view suicide as an option in the Church would mean to tell people to give up HOPE, which completely goes against the Resurrection. If a person is truly in that state of mind, then it's most doubtful they are in the right frame to make such a decision, do you not agree?

I have been in such a depressed state, when I suffered post-partum depression. Looking back, I am glad to have been given the faith I have, knowing WHY suicide is wrong.

Having said all that, I don't feel it in my heart that those who DO commit suicide are doomed to Hell. It IS a sin, yes. However, I don't believe these people are mentally stable, and therefore accountable for all their actions.

One thing I'd be tempted to change is the stance of artificial birth control, though only in the area of condoms. Again, HOWEVER, my husband and I are both trained in NFP, and it really seems to be the way to go.

I suppose my ultimate answer would have to be to change the level of faith of the people of the Catholic Church, myself included.

And to susanne-Priests ARE married, to the Church. How do they know so much about marriage if they've never been married? Well, same as most of us learn something. Priests are in school for so many years, trained in psychological ways, to an extent that I doubt you are aware of.
Being that they are in a sense "married" to the Church, being married to a woman could be viewed in the sense of someone being married to two people at once-which is always frowned upon. (unless you're Mormon, I suppose). Marriage is such an act of self-giving, it is only meant to be given to ONE. For, priests, that is the Church, which is for our own benefit, too.

Goren said...

"If a person is truly in that state of mind, then it's most doubtful they are in the right frame to make such a decision, do you not agree?"

Well no not really cuz there is a class/group of ppl who carry medical problems through life which will/do plauge them continually for ALL the years of their life and it gets to be a bit much to carry these with one forever in ones life.

I think a person just knows what they have experienced and are not crazy lol but simply get tired of missing out on the life they want to live and I am one of these and have 3 ailments which the first has been with me for over 20 yrs and another came in 1987 and then another in 2000 and each was worse than the prior and they even threaten my ability to work in the future and yet doubtful any money will come from the gov't so what do I do then....just live on the street???

The NFP is complex answer and will have to perhaps discuss that later. I agree with u about birth control should be allowed and I feel NFP is sorta just getting around the birth control rules and almost like a game.

My nephew and his wife use NFP and I respec them for that.

Sharon said...

Goren-I am very sorry for your ailments. While I am not in your shoes, I do understand what you mean. One of my siblings is severely mentally ill, and he never has nor never will lead a normal life. It's sad for all of us, and when he realizes it, especially him.

HOWEVER ( of course;), that is where our faith is most important. In today's world, especially, we have more work options for the disabled than ever before. Not that things will be EASIER, but it's hard to actually find cases where opportunities are nonexistent.

I am of the belief that every person has a purpose. To assume you have no meaning or purpose because of a physical or mental ailment, well, that seems quite sad to me.
Besides, it's not always about missing out on life. (after all, the "grass is always greener", right?). I think talking a look at what CAN be done instead of what CAN'T be done would be the better way to think.

As for NFP-I do think it's the best way to go. I didn't mean to insinuate that birth control should be "legal" in the Church. I am fully against the pill and other contraceptives being encouraged in the Church. They do, after all, act as abortaficients. (sp?)
Out of selfishness, I wish spermicide-free condoms weren't taught against. Again, though, that comes down to selfish love, not love that is meant to be expressed between a married couple.

Goren said...

"I think talking a look at what CAN be done instead of what CAN'T be done would be the better way to think."

Yes Sharon I agree and that is how I live my life enjoying what I can and trying to get the most out of life BUT(of course there must be a "but" lol)one who has problems continuously everyday at times feels burdened at times. They are all "physical" problems.

It is one thing to break your toe and then over a period of time it heals and u are back in fine shape BUT when something will NEVER be healed that is what I think anyone who has such problems would tell you is tough.